SLRP: LXXVI. On Learning Wisdom In Old Age (Part 2: 11 – 17)

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Seneca,

“For all other things, which arouse our desires, depress the soul and weaken it, and when we think that they are uplifting the soul, they are merely puffing it up and cheating it with much emptiness. Therefore, that alone is good which will make the soul better.” 

While studying philosophy, it seems we have just many things to unlearn as we do to learn.  When we are talking about ἐπιθυμία-desire, and the need to irradiate or suspend certain hankerings, that flies in the face of what we have spent a goodly portion of our lives until now doing.

We have hankered after titles, fame, money, power, influence, renown, body-pleasures, and more besides.  The bit I’ve quoted at the top, the mere puffing up, a cheating emptiness: this is what ἐπιθυμία-desire promises.  And, like a thing true to its nature, it delivers.

It’s difficult to go through one’s life with the fine toothed comb, hunting and picking for these emptinesses.  But it’s a necessary thing.  I hope my experiment with Camp Seneca helps with this process.

Farewell.


Part of Michel Daw’s Reading Plan of Seneca’s Letters.

SLRP: LXXVI. On Learning Wisdom In Old Age (Part 1: 1 – 10)

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Seneca,

“But in the [philosopher’s hall], where the question discussed is: “What is a good man?” and the lesson which we learn is “How to be a good man,” very few are in attendance, and the majority think that even these few are engaged in no good business; they have the name of being empty-headed idler. I hope I may be blessed with that kind of mockery; for one should listen in an unruffled spirit to the railings of the ignorant; when one is marching toward the goal of honour, one should scorn scorn itself.”

The world is a funny place.  Commonly, we admire (at least) two types of people based on differing sets of virtues.  For regular folks, let’s call them householders for ease, we admire a strong work ethic, monetary and property-based success, family orientation, forthrightness, and politeness.  For marginal persons, (and by this I mean holy people, philosophers, etc) we admire the very opposite.  We admire their denial of worldly things, oftentimes a celibate (or at least chaste) lifestyle, community focus, and wisdom.  We often except these folks from the decorm of politeness, we allow for behaviors and eccentricities which we do not allow in householders.

What’s funny about this, is that we expect a 100% choice.  A person living in the world, but no doing the monetary or property success game is seen as odd.  Take for instance, the modern Tiny House movement.  The folks often have families, usually work in normal jobs, but they’re set apart.

For the average person, someone dedicating a significant portion of their life to these “non-worldly” pursuits is an outlier.  As your letter notes, dear Seneca, they are seen as lazy, or (worse yet!) … poor.  It’s a strange thing that what we admire in the most extreme sort: monks, nuns, sadhus, priests, etc., becomes a thing of scorn in lesser amounts.

And with this extra time, we’re asking questions about what it means to be good, the bonds and obligations of social and rational creatures, how we can fulfill our place in the cosmos.  No small things, these.  Lazy, indeed.

Anyway, thank you for the letter, I look forward to the rest of this one.

Farewell.


Part of Michel Daw’s Reading Plan of Seneca’s Letters.

Camp Seneca: Virtual Stoic Retreat

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“Set aside a certain number of days, during which you shall be content with the scantiest and cheapest fare, with coarse and rough dress, saying to yourself the while: “Is this the condition that I feared?”  It is precisely in times of immunity from care that the soul should toughen itself beforehand for occasions of greater stress, and it is while Fortune is kind that it should fortify itself against her violence.  In days of peace the soldier performs manoeuvres, throws up earthworks with no enemy in sight, and wearies himself by gratuitous toil, in order that he may be equal to unavoidable toil.

Let the pallet be a real one, and the coarse cloak; let the bread be hard and grimy. Endure all this for three or four days at a time, sometimes for more, so that it may be a test of yourself instead of a mere hobby.”

— Seneca, Moral Letters XVIII. ON FESTIVALS AND FASTING.


I’m setting about an explicit period to re-double my efforts in regards to training.
It’ll be a 28 day period from 13-June to 11-July.

I’ll be keeping my seven precepts for the Stoic προκόπτων, which are based on the Lectures of Musonius Rufus.  Additionally I will be restricting food to one meal a day, and abstaining from intoxicants.

Anyone else who would like to join, just add in the comments and state what protocol you’re following. I’ll update in this thread periodically as well.

I’m also keeping a thread at the /r/Asceticism sub.



SLRP: LXXV. On The Diseases Of The Soul (Part 2: 11 – 18)

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Seneca,

I realize I actually read a bit ahead yesterday.  Mea culpa.

“There await us, if ever we escape from these low dregs to that sublime and lofty height, peace of mind and, when all error has been driven out, perfect liberty. You ask what this freedom is? It means not fearing either men or gods; it means not craving wickedness or excess; it means possessing supreme power over oneself And it is a priceless good to be master of oneself.”

I set about trying look more into the classification of the προκόπτωντες.  I wasn’t quite able to hunt down the reference in Epictetus, other than the general fool/sage distinction.  Of course, what the vicissitudes of Fate have given us of Chrysippus is scanty at best.

I did find this work by Geert Roskam, “On the Path to Virtue: The Stoic Doctrine of Moral Progress and Its Reception in (Middle-) Platonism.”  Maybe I’ll save my pennies and see if I can secure a copy.

Farewell.


Part of Michel Daw’s Reading Plan of Seneca’s Letters.

SLRP: LXXV. On The Diseases Of The Soul (Part 1: 1 – 10)

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Seneca,

“[I]t is not sufficient merely to commit these things [of our philosophy] to memory, like other matters; they must be practically tested. He is not happy who only knows them, but he who does them.”

— Seneca, Moral Letters, Letter LXXV On the Diseases of the Soul

In your letter, you make a classification of the types of the προκόπτωντες:

Type 1: Not yet wise, but close to. Will not backslide. Unaware of their state. Escaped the disease of the mind, but not the passions.

Type 2: Escaped diseases of the mind, and passions.

Type 3: Beyond the reach of many vices, but not all; namely the most serious ones are left behind.

It seems that the binary between virtue and vice was seen as problematic anciently as well.  Or at least more complicated than it might first seem.  In this volume, there are footnotes stating that Epictetus and Chrysippus allowed for only Types 1 and 2.  I’ll need to look more into that.

Farewell.


Part of Michel Daw’s Reading Plan of Seneca’s Letters.

Stoicism and the war against (some) desires.

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The tagline of this blog for the past few months has been ἀνέχου καί ἀπέχου.  This can be translated (more poetically to my mind, and carrying some of the symmetry present in the Greek) as “bear and forebear,” or in a more approachable fashion as “endure and renounce.”

epictetus-6A pretty stern admonition it seems.  This is often reported as the slogan of Epictetus (seen on the book on which he’s lounging), and its Latin counterpart (sustine et abstine) can be seen often in other venues as well.  So the assumption that Stoicism is about quashing all desire seems just a quick step away.  But, we’d be missing an important issue.  Epictetus does tell us to abandon somethings, and postpone others for the present, but the issue is more complex.

There’s an interesting issue here which gets lost in the English translation.

There’s more than one word for desire used in the Stoic sources. One (ὄρεξις) which is used in the context of desire for virtue, or good things. And a second word for desire (ἐπιθυμία) which is inordinate desire for vicious things or pleasures, lust.

ὄρεξις is one of the things listed as “up to us” in the Enchiridion 1, by the way.  So it clearly can’t be one of those things we’re supposed to abandon or postpone, right?  It’s what we’re training with and for.  Here is why the English “desire” as a catch-all for both Greek terms is a problem for we English speakers.  We might end up making a (reasonable mistake in this case) misapprehension because we’re using the same word for two different lexemes in the Greek.  We may not even know this is occurring, if we don’t read Greek or have it pointed out to us.

So, when we are trying to switch our focus from lusting-desire (for pleasures) to grasping-desire (for virtue), we’re not trying to quash “desire” per se, but we’re trying to quash this yearning or hankering for vicious things.

We should have a grasping-desire for progress, for virtue, for wisdom.  We should grasp for courage, justice, wisdom, and self-control.

We should avoid lusting after body-pleasure, social-rank, intellectual-pride, etc.

Using our ὄρεξις is an entirely acceptable place to be, while we avoid the dangers of ἐπιθυμία.

**cue shooting start**

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Links:
Vocabulary:
Perseus, ὄρεξις
Perseus, ἐπιθυμία
Strong’s, ὄρεξις
Strong’s, ἐπιθυμία

SLRP: LXXIV. On Virtue As A Refuge (Part 4: 27 – 34)

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Seneca,

At first, I found this portion of Stoic virtue confusing, until I realized something.  It seems to me that once one becomes a Sage, there’s no more backsliding.  Before I realized that, the idea that virtue for a day is equal to a lifetime confused me.

“Scale down the honorable life as much as you like from the full hundred years, and reduce it to a single day; it is equally honourable.”

How could that be?  If there’s no backsliding, then this idea becomes a beacon of hope.  If one person becomes Wise instantly, and lives many decades in that state before dying, and another person trains and makes progress for decades, only becoming Wise on the last day of their life, the “goodness” is equivalent.

It’s the inverse of the “drowning by an inch or a mile” issue of vice.  Only when I framed it in the context not of the Sage losing something, but as our end result, did this make sense.

Farewell.


Part of Michel Daw’s Reading Plan of Seneca’s Letters.

The problem with Modern Stoicism

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I came across a post on reddit, and the poster had made this statement.  “The whole joke was about rigidly applying stoic doctrine to a simple birthday wish.

The joke itself was funny, but what stood out to me was the statement “rigidly applying Stoic doctrine.”  I have seen this criticism from others, in more serious contexts, and it got me thinking.

There is a real problem with modern Stoicism, that harkens back to the “box of my favorite things with Stoicism scrawled on the side.”  Many moderns need to water down Stoicism so as to maintain other beliefs to which they have already granted assent.  This is not a new trend.

There was a pretty serious Romanizing of Stoicism which attempted (successfully) to knock of the rough edges of the Cynic-inspired Hellenic school.  The Greek school of philosophy needed to be molded to be more palatable to the Roman culture.  Even their Cynics were reduced.  It is worth nothing, that this process brought Stoicism to its height.

Nearly every stage of Christianity has taken something from the Stoics, whether it’s Augustine and Origen, Justus Lipsius, or moderns.  The pagan worldview of the Stoics needs to be mitigated to combine with Abrahamic doctrine.  And so it was.

It’s pretty recent phenomenon that there is a sizable group of people interested in understanding Stoicism qua Stoics.  Not as Christian Stoics, or Roman Stoics, or any other thing.  This is a new revival.

Of course, some moderns need to handle and deal with orthodox Stoic positions when it confronts their metaphysical positions (atheism, theism, deism, etc.), their political opinions, their commitment to social causes, and more.

And so more watering down occurs.  A lot of it does: a redefining of virtue, a redefining of preferred indifferents, a white-washing of the theology of the ancients, turning the Dichotomy of Control into a trichotomy, and more besides.

Which brings me to the original point:  the problem of “rigidly” adhering to the doctrine.

Do we want to progress on the Stoic path?
Is there any possibility of attaining εὐδαιμονία?
Do we believe that we can actually be virtuous?
Is Sagehood possible for us?

If any of these are true (not even all), then anything other than rigid adherence is inappropriate.  Epictetus (always via Arrian) gives us this directly:

τηλικούτων οὖν ἐφιέμενος μέμνησο, ὅτι οὐ δεῖ μετρίως κεκινημένον ἅπτεσθαι αὐτῶν, ἀλλὰ τὰ μὲν ἀφιέναι παντελῶς, τὰ δ᾽ ὑπερτίθεσθαι πρὸς τὸ παρόν.

“Having such important aims remember, then, that you must undertake them not moderately stirred but that you must totally give up some things and defer others for the time being.”

— Epictetus, Enchiridion 1:4.

μετρίως κεκινημένον means something like “to be stirred up within measure” or “moderately stirred up.”  We might say “halfheartedly.”  Philosophy is not something to do a little bit, or else we’re no better than mountebanks.  Hobbyists.  Indeed, we need to throw ourselves into it wholeheartedly.

Epictetus says we must totally give up some things, and postpone others.  Yet we have Stoics claiming there is no ascetic training component of Stoic practice.

So when I see this claim of “rigidly applying doctrine,” what I see is someone scrambling to maintain their preexisting biases.  This claim is a last-ditch attempt to avoid confronting the cognitive bias of half-doing Stoicism.  To avoid the incontrovertible conclusion that there is a conflict which must be resolved.

Internal conflicts are not small things, humans will go to great lengths to solve them.  We also go through great lengths to delude ourselves that they exist, because we have a core understanding that we cannot hold two contradictory opinions.  Each one needs justification, or a situational disposition, or a subjective stance.  Or else we have to let go of some things.

What a horror would it be if our practice of philosophy changed us, changed our minds!

 

SLRP: LXXIV. On Virtue As A Refuge (Part 3: 19b – 26)

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Seneca,

The Stoic position of the loss of family, city, country as not an evil is often hard to grok.  It’s one which I understand intellectually, but is still experientially outside of my understanding.

I did see a comment on Reddit the other day, where someone was taking as granted (erroneously I think) that all ideas or conceptions are based on feelings.  This person’s position was that any intellectual faculty rides on the tails of an emotion.

Of course, we Stoics see Emotions as (either) judgments or the results of judgments.  It’s a non-starter for us to put it the other way ’round.

However, on the issue of family, country, etc. it seems that this horse and cart are much more difficult to flip around.

Farewell.


Part of Michel Daw’s Reading Plan of Seneca’s Letters.

SLRP: LXXIV. On Virtue As A Refuge (Part 2: 10 – 19a)

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Seneca,

I think this is the first time we’ve had a clear discussion about the προηγμένα, or “preferred indifferents.”  I lean more and more to Aristo’s position.

The προηγμένα are the crux of the issue with modern Stoicism, it’s tiny edge of the two ton wedge cleaving open the doctrine.  For instance, I saw a post this week where someone said they were well acquainted with Stoic practice, “I apply the trichotomy!”

This ‘trichotomy,’ the weakening of virtue, and blatant ignoring of the gestalt whole that was the school, and the (frankly) strange revisionist white-washing of the ancients to fit modern biases hinges I believe on this start of preferred indifferents.

There is no more a confused topic than this one.

Farewell.


Part of Michel Daw’s Reading Plan of Seneca’s Letters.